This shows you the differences between two versions of the page.
| Both sides previous revisionPrevious revisionNext revision | Previous revision | ||
| syntax_existential [2021/08/19 22:05] – morgoth | syntax_existential [2024/09/28 18:19] (current) – [Other dialects] morgoth | ||
|---|---|---|---|
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
| - | <WRAP center round alert 60%> | ||
| - | <todo !!!> | ||
| - | </ | ||
| - | |||
| ====== Existential clause ====== | ====== Existential clause ====== | ||
| **// | **// | ||
| Line 14: | Line 10: | ||
| __Example 1__: "There is an army at the gates" should be transformed into "An army is at the gates" = "Ash khot (kulâ) hûmumir " (verb "to be" could be omitted when there are no describers and existential clause is not the part of longer sentence). | __Example 1__: "There is an army at the gates" should be transformed into "An army is at the gates" = "Ash khot (kulâ) hûmumir " (verb "to be" could be omitted when there are no describers and existential clause is not the part of longer sentence). | ||
| - | __Example 2__: "There is monster under the bed" = "Stâz (kûlâ) lata khau" (Monster is under the bed) | + | __Example 2__: "There is monster under the bed" = "Uglauk |
| __Example 3__: "At the gates there is an army" = " | __Example 3__: "At the gates there is an army" = " | ||
| Line 20: | Line 16: | ||
| However, word-order starting with " | However, word-order starting with " | ||
| - | __Example 4__: "There is a monster" | + | __Example 4__: "There is a monster" |
| Existential clauses can be combined with different [[grammar_mood|modalities]] (but still do not became truly existential in Nûrlâm): | Existential clauses can be combined with different [[grammar_mood|modalities]] (but still do not became truly existential in Nûrlâm): | ||
| Line 30: | Line 26: | ||
| | У ворот была армия | At the gates there was an army | Ash khoth kuzâ hûmumir((An army was at the gates)) | | | У ворот была армия | At the gates there was an army | Ash khoth kuzâ hûmumir((An army was at the gates)) | | ||
| | У ворот имелась армия | At the gates had self an army | Dakbrus ash khoth hûmumir((We have an army at the gates)) | | | У ворот имелась армия | At the gates had self an army | Dakbrus ash khoth hûmumir((We have an army at the gates)) | | ||
| - | | Воротам была дана армия (для охраны)((can be treated as regular clause in passive voice)) | To the gates was given an army (for guarding) | Ash khoth kuzâ throgaga | + | | Воротам была дана армия (для охраны)((can be treated as regular clause in passive voice)) | To the gates was given an army (for guarding) | Ash khoth throgâkuzâ |
| | ::: | ::: | Throguzâ ash khoth hûmumûr ((using impersonal sentence, literally: Gave an army for the gates)) | | ::: | ::: | Throguzâ ash khoth hûmumûr ((using impersonal sentence, literally: Gave an army for the gates)) | ||
| - | Moreover, Russian existential clause with the verb "to be" may express [[syntax_possession|possessive phrase]] like English " | + | Moreover, Russian existential clause with the verb "to be" may express [[syntax_possession|possessive phrase]] like English " |
| - | Longer sentences like examples from introduction to this article may be translated with non-standard word order which is allowed in Nûrlâm: | + | Longer sentences like examples from introduction to this article may be translated with non-standard word order which is allowed in Nûrlâm, but shifting of emphasis make the sentence less clear, as in this example " |
| ^ English ^ Nûrlâm ^ | ^ English ^ Nûrlâm ^ | ||
| - | | Dreams about the bounty he wanted to find were slowing his work | <todo !> | + | | Dreams about the bounty he wanted to find were slowing his work | Taurum gus raunum amash tahizuz gimbut krampuzû bultab fûrz((Dream(s)-ART.DEF about loot-ART.DEF which 3SG=want-PST find-INF make-PST-3PL work=3SG.M-GEN slow)) |
| - | | There were dreams about the bounty he wanted to find slowing his work | <todo !>translate</todo> | | + | | There were dreams about the bounty he wanted to find slowing his work | Krampuzû taurum gus raunum amash tahizuz gimbut bultab fûrz((Make-PST-3PL dream(s)-ART.DEF about loot-ART.DEF which 3SG=want-PST find-INF work=3SG.M-GEN slow)) -- <wrap gray>not recommended</wrap> | |
| ===== Negative existential clauses ===== | ===== Negative existential clauses ===== | ||
| Line 50: | Line 46: | ||
| Example 1: "There is no joy" = "Nar glaz__ob__" | Example 1: "There is no joy" = "Nar glaz__ob__" | ||
| - | Example 2 (complex sentence): "He runs like there is no tomorrow" | + | Example 2 (complex sentence): "He runs like there is no tomorrow" |
| - | Existential clauses also absent | + | ===== Other dialects ===== |
| - | ^ David Salo's\\ Black Speech ^ English ^ Nûrlâm ^ | + | Existential clauses also present |
| + | ^ David Salo's Black Speech ^ English ^ Nûrlâm ^ | ||
| | Gû kîbum kelkum-ishi, | | Gû kîbum kelkum-ishi, | ||
| + | |||
| + | Other dialects copy English grammar in such clauses. | ||